African Safari

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Wed, 2009-05-06 16:55 by Shuger66 · Forum/category:

Hi everyone, I am hoping someone can help me with suggestions, comments, or advice about a vacation in Africa. I have already started saving for it and hope to be coming for a visit within the next 3 years, preferably sooner than that but I'm currently studying for my masters in social work. This vacation will be my gift to me for graduating. :)

I foster elelphants at the David Sheldrick orphanage so definitely want to include that and I would like to visit Amboseli and get as close as I can to elephants being studied by ATE. Is this possible? If so, can someone point me in the right direction so that as a tourist I can contribute to your organization while experiencing a trip of a lifetime?

I am interested in price ranges, best way to come in to Africa from Vancouver Canada, touring packages that focus on elephants (all other wildlife experiences would be a huge bonus too)!

Any suggestions or information would be greatly appreciated, I feel somewhat naive as I try to research online without any input.

Thanks for your help...Noella

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Seeing the elephants

Wed, 2009-05-06 19:21 by Hans

I will try to jump in with a partial answer, although I cannot speak for ATE with any authority. But everybody in the project is currently affected by Echo's death and may not quickly find the time to answer your question. Perhaps you can ask again later this year, if you still have unanswered questions.

I believe everything you are asking for can be done. ATE does not arrange tourist safaris, but it is not difficult to get a safari organized by a reputable tour operator, and you can definitely see some of the Amboseli elephants, even from a relatively close distance, since these elephants are peaceful and tolerant of tourist vehicles. Of course the animals should not be disturbed, and the professional drivers will see to that.

Meanwhile you can look at this web page, providing background and travel preparation information. It is geared towards a self-drive safari, but still has useful information like a packing checklist.

For a typical safari that keeps moving from one wildlife lodge to the next, i.e. without time spent (wasted?) in beach hotels, you will probably find that $1,000 per week is not enough any more, as the entrance prices of the nature reserves have kept rising. Just to enter Amboseli National Park you now have to pay $60 per 24 h, and the lodging comes on top of this. Along with all these costs you can end up somewhere between $1,000 and $1,500 per week, I believe. Of course there is no upper limit. There are exclusive lodges that charge much more than the typical tourist lodge.

On top of all of this comes the price of the airline flight. I personally think a safari should not be shorter than two weeks, and I have yet to see anybody on safari who wants to go home before he must.

One more hint—if you find enough like-minded friends, you can order an individually taylored safari exactly to your liking, and you can be among yourselves, rather than among strangers who may have differing interests.

Please take this message as my personal impression and guess. I hope others can chime in with more specific information, proposals, or experiences.

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Living with Elephants Foundation

Fri, 2009-05-08 15:44 by Pachyderms_Pal

Hi Hans,

I was wondering if you've ever heard of or know anything about this organization. I know the the elephants are semi-taken care of yet free and they seem to want to help with educating people about elephants. It seems like it would be a great adventure.

http://www.livingwithelephants.org/index.htm

Any imput would be appreciated.

Thanks,
John
(Pachyderms_Pal)

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Living With Elephants - Grey Matters (Botswana)

Sun, 2009-05-10 00:36 by Jude

Howdy John - the situation of the three elephants in Botswana is a bit different from "captivity". Doug and Sandi Groves run an organisation called Grey Matters and a foundation Living With Elephants (LWE), an adjunct to this is an opportunity for tourists to walk out with the three semi-habituated elephants (named Jabu, Thembi and Morula). I have been on this experience twice, once in 2005 and again (returning to this area specificlly for this purpose) in August 2008. It is an interesting and educative session. Doug Groves lives rough, out bush with the trio. The wellbeing and quality of life of the three elephant are his absolute focus. They are not "captive" per se, they sleep in a boma overnight, receive veterinary care and they wander the bush during the day to browse, wallow and do what what elephants do. They are guarded however, and supplement feeding occurs. I know that the Groves are conflicted in that they are, by association, part of an industry that has in other areas - a terrible record in the capture of wild elephants for entertainment/tourism purposes. Conversations I had by email with Sandi a year or so ago following our first visit convinced me that the Grove's operation is ethical.

The Elephants Jabu and Thembi are survivors of a South African cull (1988) and Morula (and her now deceased brother Zorba) survived a Zimbabwe cull 18 years ago (? or so) - Zorba's subsequent death was a decison made and carried out by park authorities because he killed 7 white rhinos at the park - Morula was terribly traumatised by the death of her family - being part of this small herd with Jabu and Thembi has helped her enourmously in her recovery. Jabu, Thembi and Morula are alive today by the Groves intervention and preparedness to care for them, adopting them out of situations of abuse and inappropriate living conditions - they did not aquire the elephants as direct "orphans" from the culling but rescued them later.
A brief story of their lives and how they came to be in Botswana is on the website http://www.livingwithelephants.org/visit.htm

Living with Elephants foundation has, at its heart, education and programmes designed to intercede in Human / Elephant conflict. Each year local Batswana children are hosted at the nearby tourist camp and provided with a special programme and education experience, including meeting and walking out with the three elephants. The funds derived from the tourist experience as well as supporters and sponsors of the foundation also underpin this work.

For people who have elephants at heart and wish to have an up close ethical experience I would recommend it as an experience. I support the LWE foundation. I agree too that the best outcome for these three elephants would be to be allowed to go wild, however, this is a matter for the Groves to decide in time. I am sure they will make a decision in the best interests for Jabu, Thembi and Morula.

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Captive elephants

Fri, 2009-05-08 19:19 by Hans

No, hadn't heard of this organization, but I must admit that my interest in captive elephants is very limited. I generally don't think that elephants should be held in captivity, but I don't know about those that have been saved and raised by humans. If there were any chance to set them free, I would certainly prefer that.

By the way, does anybody know how Daphne Sheldrick's elephant orphanage deals with this question?

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Thank You

Wed, 2009-05-06 21:40 by Shuger66

Thank you Hans, you're right, this is a sad time, and it made me realize just how fragile life is and that tomorrow is promise to no one. Thanks for taking the time to answer. I will research on my own for now since I have lots of time and was just hoping to hear from others their experiences and some direction. Again, thank you...

as you plan your trip to Africa

Sun, 2009-05-17 05:39 by runningstream

Hello~
I am Rene. I was excited to hear that you are beginning to consider plans for visiting Africa! I've traveled to Kenya and Tanzania and have visited Amboseli several times.
I wanted to throw out a few thoughts. There are limitless ways to design a journey. I have travelled to many destinations in one trip and on other trips deposited myself in one or two spots to really soak in the experience of the animals in one locale for the wonder that such an opportunity offers. My first trip I took one month and hired a company that coordinated a camping safari throughout Tanzania from Manyara to Ngorongoro Crater, Tarangire Park, and Serengeti Park. Part of that month was also spent in Kenya at Kora near Meru Park. It was fantastic and yet a lot of traveling around. One trip was limited to 10 days on the ground so I booked in at Masai Mara-spending 3 days @ Little Governor's Camps, 3 days at the opposite end of the Mara @ an Eco Lodge and 4 days in Amboseli-staying at one of the lodges. Last trip was all Amboseli to enjoy many days of watching the many Elephant families.
Pick up a copy of AFRICA Geographic, in the back of the mag they list farms, camps and lodges throughout Africa. Also, please consider seeking out true ECO lodges operated by the local people. The Masai own some that I hear are quite nice and then you support their economy as well.

You will see many Elephants in Amboseli if the rains are kind and continue.They will cross the roads and be in the swamps and out on the plains. It is ideal for seeing Elephants and you will see them as well as the researchers for the most part. But, I hear that the drought has been very hard on all of the animals, so, consider this as you plan. You might Google "eco tourism for Kenya" and any other countries you want to visit. A current "Lonely Planet" Guide to Kenya would be quite good.

You might also ask the Sheldrick's for suggestions of companies who will coordinate for you.
I do not have a suggestion of who to call at present but I'll ponder and get back.
I hope my input adds some ideas to your planning.

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Thank you!

Sun, 2009-05-17 22:16 by Shuger66

Thanks Rene for responding, and you offered many great ideas for me to look into. I've recently discovered an elephant sanctuary in Tennessee where injured and retired circus elephants come to recooperate, heal, meet others like them, and spend their last days in freedom. It really is amazing because this is not a tourist trap of any kind and the elephants have 2700 acres of great brush land with valleys, lakes, ponds, trails etc to create their own way of living with others just like them.

One fantastic story of two of these elephants is about Shirley and Jenny, they once worked in the same circus over 20 years ago, but were separated not long after that. They had a mother/daughter kind of relationship back then but were not related. Over 20 years later they met up at this sanctuary, without anyone's knowledge that they once knew each other. Well, they went absolutely crazy when they met again and picked up exactly where they left off. It is all on video and quite extraordinary to watch.

This organization is all about the well-being of extremely abused elephants who have travelled in any number of cicuses as well as zoos. It is heartbreaking to learn of these elephant's pasts and amazing to watch them flourish as they are completely free in this sanctuary. They have video footage of when each one arrives so that they can document what happens when they finally realize they are not chained to anything, not beaten for anything, and get to develop friendships with others in their own way, in their own time.

If anyone is interested the website is www.elephants.com most of the elephants they have rescued are Asian and were kidnapped as babies for either circus or the exotic pet market, but they do have one African elephant.

Thanks again Rene!

Hello Noella~ Thanks for your

Wed, 2009-05-27 00:13 by runningstream

Hello Noella~
Thanks for your reply also. I know The Elephant Sanctuary very well and we have supported their efforts thru contributions for many years.
We also have a west coast California rescue for Elephants called www.paws.org (Performing Animal Welfare Society). Bob Barker has been a major supporter and contributed substancialy toward Maggie the African Elephant's relocation to PAWS (she was incarcerated in the Alaska Zoo).

On June 20th we will participate in the 1st International Day of Action for Elephants in zoos. There will be many demonstrations outside of zoo gates throughout the U.S. and in other countries. Go to www.ida.org for info. Hopefully Canada will participate.

As we all know there is a connection between wild African and Asian Elephants & captive Elephants in that so many Elephants in zoos and circuses were taken away from their homeland after their families were culled or separated from their mothers and sent abroad.

Spread the word so that folks unaware of this Day of Action for Elephants might join in or host a party in their homes to educate friends and family.
I am having a birthday party of sorts, where my guests and I will meet at the Los Angeles Zoo (outside the main gate). to show our opposition to Billie the Elephants incarceration.

Best to you,

Rene

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